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u/WhenMachinesCry
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New ski flying women's world record, 226 meters (741 ft)
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u/BluejayLatter 13d ago
Its a second post about this and i still dont know her name or the country she represnts. Like, seriously....
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u/SagariKatu 13d ago
Ema Klinec, Slovenia. You only needed to pause at the beginning of the video...
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u/slowpokefastpoke 13d ago
OP only needed to put “Ema Klinec from Slovenia sets new world record” in their title.
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u/Sidewalk_Tomato 13d ago
Seriously, it would have been so much better to credit her in the title. What an oversight.
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u/mikelloSC 12d ago
Well posters are usually more about Karma than the actual content
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u/6XJPCmTMB7gm3rMhUKE5 12d ago
Possibly rushed it because they wanted to be first to post
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u/IntellegentIdiot 12d ago
OP called it Ski Flying. You're asking a lot here
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u/DonkeyAndWhale 12d ago
There's actually a difference between ski jumping and ski flying. Ski jumps are much shorter. It's a different discipline.
This was the first official ski flying competition for women ever.
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u/Due-Ad9310 12d ago
Just another example of how badass women get their achievements recognized but not their names.
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u/Speakin_Swaghili 13d ago
Ya just pause before the timer hits the 1 second mark. Completely intuitive.
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u/Passivefamiliar 13d ago
Fair point but, would be good if people to include it in the post. Respectfully
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u/EverWillow 12d ago
Official press release:
Slovenia's Ema Klinec won the first ever women's ski flying event in Vikersund (NOR) on Sunday. The 24-year-old clearly prevailed over Silje Opseth of Norway and Yuki Ito of Japan in the world premiere with flights to 226 (new world record) and 223,5 meters. With her success, Klinec also won the overall ranking of RAW AIR 2023.
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u/evewassetup 13d ago
I cannot watch this event without hearing Goofy’s “yaaaa-hoohoo-hooey” in my head. Wish I could find a link to that cartoon.
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u/ReasonablyConfused 13d ago edited 13d ago
God damn you just hit me with a wave of nostalgia. Goofy-How to Ski: 6:10 and 6:50 for the sound.
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u/Purrz1val 13d ago edited 13d ago •
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u/llamacornsarereal 13d ago
It's everywhere 🤫
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u/spliffsncones 13d ago
We’re everywhere*
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u/Viriaaato 13d ago
Yikes... Just looked it up... You guys need assistance
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u/ONLY_COMMENTS_ON_GW 13d ago
Do you not choose your investments based on conspiracy theories and tweets from billionaires?
For real though, I've got a bunch of GME, but that sub is pure cancerous paranoia that's turned on itself more times than there's been FTD cycles.
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u/EbbZealousideal2806 13d ago
I had to stop focusing on that place when the purple donuts came around. The place turned crazy real quick. I still go there but man when that place was first started it was great.
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u/ExchangeEvening4585 13d ago
They do seem crazy but I will give them credit, they’ve been calling the Credit Suisse failure since Archegos collapsed in early 2021. It’s definitely interesting to see stuff that they’ve been talking about start to happen.
Still a crazy place lol
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u/YoYoMoMa 13d ago
It's a thousand monkeys on typewriters. Some are bound to be correct.
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u/Avarice21 13d ago
... It's in the title.
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u/Small_Bang_Theory 13d ago
Yes, it is. This is the same idea as pointing out if a record was 69m or 420m.
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u/Bubatzer69 13d ago
Men's is 253,5 m
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u/PR00123 13d ago
I'm curious...why is that? It doesn't seem to be a sport where strength is such a major factor. Why such a big difference?
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u/dpb79 13d ago
Being smaller and lighter is an advantage in ski jumping but only when up to speed and thats why women start higher up the ramp. When you see the men prepping, half of them look absolutely emaciated and the sport historically has been plagued with athletes with eating disorders. Women started ski jumping much later than men and its one sport where at some point women may overtake men.
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u/slolift 13d ago
If you are going to compare records, they would have to start at the same height.
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u/ILikeToDisagreeDude 12d ago
Height is just one of many factors in this sport. They can change the height in the middle of a round depending on wind etc. to ensure they don’t jump too far (since that would hurt them)
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u/sn4xchan 12d ago
That could kill them if they didn't land on a slope.
I've seen way too many injuries and deaths working at the ski resort, because someone over shot the landing.
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u/ILikeToDisagreeDude 12d ago
Yeah… So they add points to the jumpers based on where the starting bench are. So if they lower the height right before it’s your turn, you will get additional points than the jumper before you and so on. Length of the jump isn’t everything. Style, length and the landing + points for the bench is what’s been taken into account if I’m not mistaken. It’s been a while since I was active!
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u/THUNDERCHRIST 13d ago
This is actually the first competition they were allowed to have for womens ski flying. Several world records were set this weekend, and I'm sure they'll keep improving now that they can.
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u/mittromniknight 12d ago
ski flying
Why is nobody just calling it "ski jumping"? When did it change?
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u/constantlymat 12d ago
Both disciplines do exist and ski jumping is still the bread and butter competition. The difference is in the size of the facility and there are fewer options for ski flying.
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u/letmeseem 12d ago
Ski jumping is the sport itself. Competitions in the largest hills in the world where the "hill size" (expected ideal jump) is over 185 meters are called ski flying events.
In official competitions you have:
Normal hills (HS 85-109 meters)
Large hills (HS 110-184 meters)
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u/Fabi3848 12d ago
Just a small addition to what others already explained: Ski flying isn't trained. Neither the male nor the female athletes have a chance to do training jumps on these hills outside of the tournament's, that's another thing that makes this discipline so special. Normal ski jumping can be trained throughout the whole year
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u/surfing_yoda 13d ago edited 12d ago
also women were allowed for the first time to have a competition on a skiflying hill. Up until fairly recently women were only aloud to go on small skijumping hills where you jump around 90k. also women were banned for a long time (ca. 15years ago they started having competition for women) because the men were scared the their uteruses would fall out with the impact of the landing. there are just not many girls that skijump so the competition is low. and most of them are still pretty young. (18-20) edit: spelling
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u/RDS-Lover 13d ago
Won’t somebody think of the female athletes with prolapsed uteruses?
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u/sagerobot 13d ago
So dumb, im guessing that when the dudes land they have a special net set up under their nuts to prevent them from ripping off upon impact right??????
God we dudes can be so weird when it comes to controlling women.
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u/dparks71 13d ago edited 13d ago
I know you were being facetious, but you're just describing a jock strap, and lots of athletes do wear them...
That said, the effort to ban women from a sport they might be better at, is for sure, pathetic.
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u/sagerobot 13d ago
Oh man I forgot about those. I wonder if they wear them in this sport.
I looked it up breifely and cant seem to find any mention of cups/jockstraps being used. But they are super insane about what can be worn like look at this:
Competition suits and clothing worn underneath, such as underwear, etc. may not be plasticized or treated by any chemical means (gaseous, liquid or solid), and must have a minimum permeability of 30 liters per m2/sec under 10 mm of water pressure.
But yeah even if it were an issue I think you could create a similar jock strap device that a woman could wear to keep things inside.(Not that it would actually be needed at all)
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u/Olfasonsonk 12d ago
They don't lol.
The idea of ski jumpers wearing jock straps is honestly hilarious.
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u/pizzasiren 13d ago
Your comment cracked me up. Thinking about it though, it makes sense. I mean, that’s why we sleep hanging upside down at night. To restore the utes to their rightful place after a long day’s gravity.
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u/Hidanas 13d ago
Thought the title was a mistake until I checked the comments. What's the difference between ski jumping and ski flying?
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u/Lesninin 13d ago
It's just the size of the hill, so managing the "flight" part of the jump is more important.
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u/surfing_yoda 13d ago
skijumping everything with a hillsize under 185m, and skiflying everything above. The hillsize is defind as the point of the ramp where it starts to flaten. you don't really want to land way above the hillsize because the landing will be really hard. the hillsize is marked as the second complete red line. the jump shown in the video has a hillsize of 240m
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u/rf97a 13d ago
Because this is sport, like way to many others, are run by grumpy old men. This is the first time women have been allowed to compete officially in these monster hills. This article from FIS owns website from 2021 shows a little how the “upper management” feels about women ski jumpers
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u/dogsonbubnutt 12d ago
this is a huge part of it. you wouldn't think sexism would be a significant factor in fuckin ski jumping, but, welp!
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u/gangangan 13d ago
This was the first competition where women could participate in ski flying iirc. So both this world record and the first world record for women in ski flying was set yesterday.
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u/TheUmbraCat 13d ago
It’s in the launch. A bit of a stronger jump can make a huge difference in maintaining speed and achieving a longer distance.
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u/letmeseem 12d ago
Because today was the first time ever women have been allowed to compete in a ski flying hill.
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u/nekize 13d ago
It is a very specific sport and a lot of things need to go “right” for it to happen, starting with the initial jump from the ramp where stronger legs can give you much needed height in the first part of the “flight”. Also, this is the first time women were allowed to jump on such big ski jumping ramp, the most they went up until now is with a hillaize od 150m. So experince is also something that contributes to the longer flights in men.
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u/zzzzxxcvbm 13d ago
Worth mentioning that on this exact object (Vikersund), in 2017 Robert Johansson broke the world record on 252m, and later on the same day Stefan Kraft corrected it at 253,5m. In 2015 Dimitry Vassiliev jumped here 254m but landed on his back. Yesterday Stefan Kraft flew 239m on this object having pretty bad wind conditions.
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u/Dix_x 13d ago
(in ski jumping/flying, if you fall, your jump doesn't count as a record, though it counts for the competition, with a style points deduction)
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u/zzzzxxcvbm 13d ago
That's why I mentioned Vassiliev fell, it's the longest distance achieved. Official record is Krafts 253.5m.
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u/Dix_x 13d ago
yeah, i know, i was specifying this for people who might not watch the sport
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u/Gezombrael 13d ago
Having competitions in this sport for 90 years versus 1 day would do that
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u/Psych1011 13d ago
How exactly does one train in such a sport? Are there dedicated ski slopes set aside for this purpose? It feels like an incredibly dangerous sport for an amateur to take on so very intrigued
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u/peter-bone 13d ago edited 13d ago
I'd recommend the film Eddie the Eagle) . Funny film based on a true story and your question answered.
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u/cuddlefucker 13d ago
Hey, just so you know you have to put a in front of the last ')' in a link or it breaks the link formatting
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u/surfing_yoda 13d ago
you start pretty young. i started when i was six, on really small jumps where you only jump like 5-15m. and the better you will get, you will trasition to bigger jumps. it is not that dangerouse because you have no obsticals you can hit on the ramp. if something happens during flying you will always land in the steep part, and just slide to the bottom. also during summer it is less dangerous.
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u/PotatoesAndChill 13d ago
What about losing balance on the actual ramp? Or landing on your head?
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u/AmIFromA 13d ago edited 13d ago
If that happens you get included in a YouTube video compilation called "Worst ski-jumping crashes and fails".
Edit: for a more serious reply: this crash, one of the worst I've ever seen, resulted in Morgenstern missing a few events due to concussion and bruises and finishing 2nd at the Vierschanzentournee (Super Bowl of ski-jumping) one month after the crash: https://youtu.be/65Lhw55dAvg
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u/surfing_yoda 12d ago
i think i have seen it happen once or twice on a pro level in last 10years. the video is the only one i know of. https://youtu.be/mxzk4lPcIjk
on the kids level it happens more often because not all ramps are prepared good so the track was somtimes a rollercoaster. so it was pretty difficult to balance how much you could lean forewards.
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u/banned_after_12years 13d ago
How did they even invent this sport? First person to do it must have been a maniac.
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u/mr_greenmash 13d ago
Basically started as a show off of bravery and skill. Also, on way smaller hills. The previous King of Norway used to compete in his youth.
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u/shortiforty 13d ago
I have a cousin who did this growing up in Minnesota. It's incredible to see in person. Anyhow, this vid is a bit older but shows how they train.
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u/pizza_for_nunchucks 13d ago
Is that your cousin in the video? Did he use the jump in Bloomington?
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u/Riztrain 13d ago
Well one thing I know for sure they train is explosive jumping. Trust me, you do NOT want to join a high-jump competition with a ski jumper.
Saw in the medal ceremony 2 Olympics ago, the ski jumper did like a gentle leap for joy, and he would've easily cleared a goat, never even bent his knees to do the jump, nor when he landed
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u/jaykayel 13d ago
A goat you say?
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u/Riztrain 13d ago
Hey man, some 350 million people use approx. 7000 barleycorn grains as an adequate measurement of weight in the world, so why not? 😁
I'd go as far as to say a young and somewhat growth stunted deer would be an equal example of the height in question
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u/AdStunning8948 13d ago
The kids need to learn basic skiing first. After that they start jumping on pretty small ramps and gradually switch to bigger ones(this takes years). After at least decade of training some reach the level of skill for international FIS competitions.
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u/YourWiseOldFriend 13d ago
226 meters at 100km/hour basically at free fall. Fucking maniac!
Awesome :-)
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u/blanketswithsmallpox 12d ago
Right? Wouldn't the world record just be determined by how big of a stable slope they could find or create? You'd have to be near terminal velocity at some point while 'slowing' yourself with the skis and wider body frame.
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u/twbk 12d ago
A large hill is necessary for a long jump, but I think you severely underestimate the effect of skill. The right technique generates a lot of lift and a good jumper can easily jump 60+ m longer than a less skilled jumper even if everything else is the same.
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u/IamBejl 13d ago edited 12d ago
Ema Klinec, from Slovenia. Today was the first ever ski flying female competition, she made history today for our country and the sport. Mad respects!
EDIT: Female ski flying competition (I forgot to add that)
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u/Ok-Jury-3571 13d ago
They should make the ramp go up, thatd break the record easily
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u/BackgroundCat 13d ago •
Or do a loop-de-loop like a Hot Wheels track. That’d be cool.
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u/Motorsagmannen 13d ago
and also break every bone in the body of the jumper when they land
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u/ImNotYou1971 13d ago
I just want to see someone do this in a flying suit.
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u/inquisitor1965 13d ago
Watching this I noticed her pants seem extra baggy in the crotch. Wonder what the regulations are regarding that.
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u/mr_greenmash 13d ago
Very strict. In the last winter Olympics mixed team competition 6 or 7 athletes were disqualified for having too baggy suits. I think 4 cm below the crotch is the maximum.
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u/JammJamm2016 13d ago
How do they compare distance from previous events? The slope of the hill would have be identical, no?
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u/surfing_yoda 13d ago
they don't compare distances of previos events on different hills, because every ramp is different because of weather, constrution,etc. they only compare distances from the same hill from previos events. i hope i could answer your question.
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u/mr_greenmash 13d ago
However, a world record is a world record. If its just the lingest jump in a particular hill, it's a "hill record"
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u/chad-bro-chill-69420 13d ago
And even if they could control for all of that, there are still things like wind direction and magnitude, altitude above sea level, humidity etc that would impact aerodynamics
I’m wondering as well now
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u/1ildevil 13d ago
You can still measure achievement and progress when measured against other competitors. Just because the details of the event may change slightly, it's the overall performance that still matters as long as there is a sanctioning body overlooking the results, it can stand as a world record no matter the location or conditions.
It's much the same idea in track or any other sport. Humidity/weather, track conditions & elevation all play their roles in affecting the outcome of world records, but in the final results these conditions are not relevant as long as the sanctioning body can prove that a record has been broken. In the aftermath, no reasonable fan would says things like "Usain Bolt isn't really the best since he underperforms at high altitude".
Each event is considered a unique experience and the participants are merited on their performance at that specific event/time. In this particular sport, world records may be only possible in a few specific locations much the same as other sports.
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u/RecoverMaleficent944 13d ago
I’d love to watch this event with regular people who have never tried this or maybe even people who have never been skiing. Talk about fun
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u/TrypMole 13d ago
They did this in the UK with celebrities. It was called "The Jump" and it was axed after they had 34 injuries over 4 years of the series. For a celeb, reality type tv show it was hard-core. They had some pretty nasty injuries too, Olympic gymnast Beth Tweddle broke 2 vertebrae in her neck and had to have part of her hip removed, she was suing them but I don't know what the result was.
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u/WorldsBestArtist 13d ago
Suing them? I have to imagine there was some sort of waiver signed that said something along the lines of, "This is extremely dangerous, you could break bones or even die."
Anything less than that would just be pure incompetence from the production's legal team.
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u/BrownButtBoogers 13d ago
How does one go about learning this? Crazy
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u/Nik-ki 13d ago
You start on very small hills, usually people start jumping as little kids, then graduate to bigger and bigger hills. For female ski jumpers this weekend was the first time they were allowed to compete on the biggest one (no idea about other countries, but in Poland we call ski jumping hills of this size "mamoths")
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u/DavenportPointer 13d ago
I would have so much liked to have learned how to ski jump when I was younger. The feeling and thrill must be tremendous. Fair play to this trailblazer.
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u/kaozennrk 13d ago
Love the confident cute shimmy at the start.
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u/jngaithe 11d ago
At the end she was just indeed too happy and the fact that she just couldn't believe it her own eyes that she have actually made it!
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u/jcoddinc 13d ago
Just over 2 American football fields. Or over 400 washing machines
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u/legoshi_loyalty 12d ago
insert stupid overused joke about how horribly evil Americans are for not using metric measurements
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u/Vertitto 13d ago
it's among the top 3 sports in Poland and it's the first time hear there are women events as well
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u/chunek 13d ago
Bruh, I'm from Slovenia and I know you have some women jumpers, like Kinga Rajda.. they just aren't in the top 30 yet.
Women's ski jumping is great to watch, especially the historical first time ever flying competition in Vikersund for women this year, really pushing the limits of their sport.
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u/4tunabrix 13d ago
How does one do better at this? Like it seems you just fly off the end of the ramp. How do you fly through the air better than someone else? Not denying their skill, just wondering how it works
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u/mr_greenmash 13d ago
Inrun: get more speed than competitors
Takeoff: push off harder/with better timing, angle, etc
Flight: get into flying position quickly, generate more lift and less drag
Landing: well executed telemark landing, don't fall.
Margin for error is tiny, and every athlete will be better or worse with some of these elements. Polish guy, Dawid Kubacki is known for very forceful takeoff, which favours him in smaller hills. Austrian Stefan Kraft is better in the flight phase, etc.
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u/ComputerSagtNein 13d ago
Ski flying is wild and I love it. Mad respect for these women and men.
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u/TheOzarkWizard 13d ago
She's actually flying. Well, gliding. You can see her wobble from side to side trying to stabilize